Deborah Tavares Interview With Barrie Trower Deborah Tavares Interview with Barrie Trower _____________________________________________________________________________________ Barrie Trower’s background and personal warning in his own words “In the very early 1960’s I trained with the government microwave warfare establishment. I looked at all aspects of microwave warfare and when I finished my time in the military, because I had a lot of expertise in the microwave field, I was asked if I would carry on with this research. We are in a new Cold War and this is why countries are developing this. And this is why all the microwave transmitters are going up everywhere because somebody, if they wanted to, could use them for other effects. The system is up and running. Years ago our government said to our scientists when it comes to microwaves you will only talk about things to do with heat, and that is it. So they won’t even discuss anything else. They will deny anything that doesn’t have anything to do with heat. They even deny all their 40 years of research leading up to this, although they’ve said that this can cause cancer and all the damage, they say no it can’t. We’re only looking at heat and heat is all that matters. So for the last 40 years the English government has been lying to the people. And the American, the Canadian, the Australian, they have been lying. They have been lying to protect industry, to protect their profits, to protect themselves from lawsuits. So they are really just liars and it is provable, sanctioned by the World Health Organization, without a shadow of a doubt. It is the same people that sit on the ICNAP certificate, sit on our government health protection agencies, sit on the World Health Organization… it is the same people. There are probably no more than 20 of them. But, yes, they are going to, in my opinion, commit the worst genocide this planet has ever known, not just people, but animals and plants. They are probably going to cause more destruction than a global war, and in several hundred years time, people will look back, whoever survives, and look at what we tried to do to stop them.” _____________________________________________________________________________________Deborah Tavares: Hello. This is Deborah Tavares with and I’m here with BarrieTrower from the UK and we’re going to be talking about specifically this document today which was found onthe White House website, and it is entitled Realizing the Full Potential of Government Held Spectrum to SpurEconomic Growth. And it says President’s Council of Advisors on Science Technology, dated July 20, 2012.Now we’re quite honored to have an opportunity to discuss this document with Barrie today. And a little bitabout Barrie: he is, of course, visiting the United States right now from the UK and in the very early 60’s hewas trained in microwave warfare by the microwave warfare establishment. And when he finished the time thathe spent in the military, he had a lot of expertise in that field and he was asked to carry on with this research.And it was a new cold war that he discovered with microwaves. Would you would like to add anything to that?Barrie Trower: Only that microwaves from the 50’s were used as a stealth weapon as they still are today, onlythey’re obviously much, much more sophisticated. The 50’s was really a trial time where different countries werejust using people who had no choice, prisoners, psychiatric patients, dissidents, and they would just beam peoplewith this and see how long it takes this pulse frequency to have any effect. And if it does, we try a different typeof group. There were 25 different categories of people including children and pregnant women. Twenty-fivedifferent categories, and so from the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s we’ve been developing microwave weapons right up totoday and they are incredibly sophisticated today. So if any government says that microwaves have no effect onyou, the question is then why have you been spending billions upon billions of dollars with the military for thelast sixty years improving them?Deborah Tavares: In this document, Barrie, it has listed a number of experts that are involved in thisparticular technology, and I can name a few of those experts now. They’re called the Key Members andSpectrum Experts. And they would include, and not be limited to, Stanford University, because, of course, manyuniversities are involved in this technology that are funded by the military. But the White House SpectrumManagement team is Google, Microsoft, Stanford and Harvard Universities. And I want to draw the attention ~1~ to Harvard University as being one of the universities involved in the origination of Silent Weapons, Quiet WarsTechnical Manual that is on, but also Virginia Tech, UC Berkeley, the NationalCommunications and Telecommunications Association, the FCC and NSA, and many others that are involvedin this as well.So as we go through this, Barrie, I would like for you to explain some of what you see in this document, if youwould. It’s thirteen pages, and they’re talking about what the purpose of the spectrum is and if we could just flipthrough it slowly… each portion represents one page that is on our website.Barrie Trower: One of the things you said, the universities, for instance, they may not be guilty. And I cangive you an example. The government holds massive amounts of funds for research and the universities applyfor research grants. Now to give you one example in the United States, the government asked one university if itcould devise a method whereby if you beamed microwaves into somebody’s ears the vibrational frequencies inthe cochlea, they would actually produce sound in the person head so nobody else around could hear, just theone person being beamed could hear the sound. And the University was told this would aid the deafenormously because people could talk into a device and they would just hear it straight through. It was alsopicked up by the super store manufacturers who said we could also use this for good because if we haveshoplifters, we can beam the pulse frequencies to the shoplifters to say, “You’re being watched. Put this down.”We’ll prevent crime, and that was used for good. It didn’t take people very long, especially the military and othersuper stores to think, ‘well, hang on, we can use this for our own devices’. So the military can now put voicesinto people’s heads to do whatever deed they wish it to achieve, and the super stores have also realized thatrather than say ‘put that down, you’re going to steal it’ , if you’re indecisive and you’re shopping, they can say‘you really do want to buy this.’ And after nine months, I got the figure from one of your calls, somebody tookone of your super stores to court for beaming them. And they made a phenomenal profit in just nine months,phenomenal profit. But because your Federal Communications Committee says that microwaves were safe, thecase fell.So all I’m saying is that when you’re reading out the universities, they may be acting totally innocently and itmay be that the recipients, after the research is done, say now we will turn this to our advantage.Deborah Tavares: And that’s because so much is compartmentalized and that’s how they keep this monsterescalating to the degree that they are.Barrie Trower: Yes. It’s perception.Deborah Tavares: Absolutely. What I find so true in the Silent Weapons document is that they talk about“the real and the stated goals.” And we’re saying what the real goals are but what they tell us is what the statedgoals are. So we’re buying a lot of these advancements in technology based on what sounds good as a statedgoal, but then there’s the real goal. And I think that, as a global population, when you look at the Silent Weaponsprotocol, that 44-page document that we spoke about just a bit ago, we can see that this is a well plannedprogram overall by a few, and so certainly while many are unaware, a few are; the most wealthy, knowledgeable,the ones in the technologies, to carry this out without our knowledge or consent.Barrie Trower: This is from a program in 1976. I can tell you by its title that it was a program in 1976because in 1976 your government produced a list of all of the illnesses that you can develop from continuouslow-level microwave radiation, everything, physiological, neurological illnesses. But in the same document thatwas released under the Freedom of Information Act, and I referenced it in my latest paper that I’m readingfrom tonight. If you get a copy of that paper, it’s referenced in that. But what your government also did that wasrather naughty; they asked all the other governments in the world, the influential governments in the world,basically to deceive the public. And they were to deceive the public really for two reasons. The first is to avoidlaw suits, and the second was to protect industrial profit. ~2~ Deborah Tavares: So the bottom line is massive corporate profit.Barrie Trower: And your government printed it and I’ve written it down. They say that, basically, the publicmust be deceived to protect industrial profit and this is here, it’s in the title, Economic Growth.Deborah Tavares: That’s exactly right and also in the Silent Weapons document, which you’re well aware of,they also talk about the key to global control is through energy. And we see that happening now with thefrequencies and the microwaves. It’s all energy. We’re energy. And they want to control it all, even us.Barrie Trower: There is a counter argument. I deliberately do not take sides. I look at arguments from bothsides and I decide myself who I think is right and wrong. But a counter argument that I do not accept from theEnglish or the American governments, is that enemy countries are also developing this technology. I know fortycountries that are developing this. And their argument is that if other countries are developing this technology,we have to develop it in order to defeat it. Okay so far, but I don’t go along with the argument that you must useyour own people for experiments. So they are using Americans for experiments.There are forty some countries developing this technology and the governments argue that for combat, if thewaves were used on the United States, the United States would know exactly what to look for, they would knowthe frequencies, they can jam them. And I can go along with that. We pay governments to protect us. What Icannot go along with is the fact that 25 categories of persons without their choice and in many cases withouttheir knowledge, are being experimented upon with these particular frequencies to cause all of this. That iswrong.Deborah Tavares: What we understand is that minimally there is a 50-year advancement of technologiesthat are out there ahead of time that we’re not even aware exist right now.Barrie Trower: No. No. You can’t have technology 50 years hence. You can have ideas 50 years hence. Youcannot have technology 50 years hence because the world can’t keep that many secrets. I go to countries all overthe world. I go to countries that despise the United States and I go to countries that love the United States. I goto countries that are at war with countries I’ve just left. And I really don’t take a stand for or against anybody.But the scientific community that I talk with at these conferences, they often say to me, ‘if you go to this country,please warn them about this’. Scientists, in the whole, do not want mass genocide. They do not want totalgovernment control because they have families and children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. And alot of the help that I get are from talking virtually all night to international scientists who say ‘well, we’ve donethis’ and they will also say ‘well we’ve done that’ and if you put these two together it agrees with what ‘he’ says.Scientists talk and 50 years hence, it wouldn’t be kept secret. The ideas can be there, but the knowledge which Ihave today of where we are at the moment cannot be exceeded because we do not have the people that clever toexceed it.Deborah Tavares: Would you say that as far as the microwave targeting of mass populations now, which iswhat this is showing (holds White House document up), is the intention where we were talking about morespecific targeted people hundreds of thousands globally?Barrie Trower: Yes.Deborah Tavares: Now we’re looking at a map that really does show a mass targeting particularly of theUnited States?Barrie Trower: Oh yes. Absolutely. Really this is one of the ideas behind the Smart Meter where they putthem on everybody’s homes. What they can do now? They can watch every single person in that house. Theycan watch you go to bed. They can watch what you’re doing in bed. They can watch you on the toilet and in thebath. They can hear every single word you’re saying. They have a machine which will measure your hormone ~3~

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